Posts by Lost in the fog

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Mormon abuse allegations

by RolRod in

mormons in the news covering up abuse allegations.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/us/wirestory/mormons-meet-salt-lake-city-biannual-conference-90816632.

ARMAGEDDON

by Lost in the fog in

can i ask please especially for all who are pomo?.

we've taken a decision similar to revelation 18:4 to get out of the watchtower and not share in its sins.. how many of you still believe that god will one day terminate the world's many systems by means of an armageddon?.

Lost in the fog

Can I ask please especially for all who are POMO?

We've taken a decision similar to Revelation 18:4 to get out of the Watchtower and not share in its sins.

How many of you still believe that God will one day terminate the world's many systems by means of an Armageddon?

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Virgin or whore complex that Witnesses have made my married life difficult!

by Witness 007 in

so was a virgin when i got married but my wife studied later in life and had been married for 6 months and had two boyfriends in her past.

my strict witness mother hated my wife and thought she was not good enough for me.

she thought all worldly women were dirty whores who cannot keep their vaginas to themselves.

Lost in the fog

DarleneGatus,

I can remember that talk from the circuit overseer about oral sex.

It was about the first time that the bored teens in the audience were scribbling down notes. As one of the elders with a dry sense of humour said a few days later "it was the poor man's guide to alternative sexual practices".

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Ecclesiastes 12:12,13

by Lost in the fog in

whenever you think of your time in the organisation you'll remember all of the books.

every year at a convention, new books brought out.

shelves at home groaning under the weight of multicoloured covered wts books!

Lost in the fog

Whenever you think of your time in the Organisation you'll remember all of the books. Every year at a convention, new books brought out. Shelves at home groaning under the weight of multicoloured covered WTS books!

And then the weekly Book Study group meetings to study those books, underlining answers laboriously.

As many on this site have said before it was nothing more than a prolific publishing house out to make money from the rank and file.

They don't translate Ecclesiastes 12:12 the way most Bible translations do because it clearly tells you not to do what the WT was doing and made us do -- "But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive study is wearying to the body." (New American Standard Bible).

Instead of a constant stream of books they should have listened to verse 13 of Ecclesiastes 12 -- "The conclusion, when everything has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person." (NASB) It is that simple.

Why didn't we see that when we were in?

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Bullied At School

by Lost in the fog in

just curious about the rest of you.

i was bullied quite badly throughout my school years because of being a witness and not participating in religious holidays, sporting celebrations, assembly (worship), and the like.. it was mostly from other pupils but there were a couple of teachers who definitely treated me badly.

that was back when uk teachers still caned pupils or were allowed to hurl the heavy wooden blackboard duster across the room at them.... i still have ptsd flashbacks on some of those events even after 50 years!

Lost in the fog

Just curious about the rest of you.

I was bullied quite badly throughout my school years because of being a Witness and not participating in religious holidays, sporting celebrations, assembly (worship), and the like.

It was mostly from other pupils but there were a couple of teachers who definitely treated me badly. That was back when UK teachers still caned pupils or were allowed to hurl the heavy wooden blackboard duster across the room at them...

I still have ptsd flashbacks on some of those events even after 50 years!

How many other born-ins suffered ill-treatment because of being different at school?

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Avoiding Temptation As a Young Elder

by TMS in

it was the summer of '72.

i was 24 but had been the presiding overseer or congregation servant of a small congregation in the county seat of an arkansas county for about 3 years.. my regular pioneer wife of nearly four years was big and pregnant, with our attempts at birth control unsuccessful.. one of my wife's several bible studies was with a young woman named brenda whom my wife had encountered in door to door work.. brenda had two young children she could barely handle and was married to a very countryfied arkie named henry who worked as a chicken catcher, one of the most difficult jobs at the local chicken plant.. brenda eventually revealed that she'd been raised as a jw, but was never baptized, having left home to marry henry at age 14. she spoke of her family in texas, mentioning her mother and two older sisters, all jws she said.. one morning, just before the meeting for field service, we noticed a small car in kingdom hall parking lot.

my wife and i were parked to one side of the hall in our aluminum nashua house trailer.. two young women got out of the car and soon joined us for the meeting for service, identifying themselves as brenda's sisters from texas.. the two girls, ages 17 and 20, were distractingly beautiful, with the eldest decked out like a magnificent southern belle including hat and heels, her high-end clothing accentuating her very obvious curves.. with no one else showing up for field service, it ended up just the four of us in the car group with the two texas girls in the back seat.. starting our time at a not-at-home, the 20 year old asked if she could accompany me to "hear my presentation.

Lost in the fog

Ephesians refers to loins girded about with truth.

I often wondered if that's why the "Truth" is so obsessed with the area of their loins in so many of their publications.

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Stupid WT Q's : Is It Wise or Safe to Keep a Dog? Demons—How Can We Resist Them?

by Sea Breeze in

yes, that is an actual question in the awake magazine.

jw kids lives are already miserable enough trying to obey all the ignorant rules of the wt.. no sports, no school dance, no holidays.... just field service.

as if that isn't enough.... let's take away their puppy dogs too!.

Lost in the fog

Of course that's what Paul said in Philippians 3v2 "Beware of the dogs."

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Did Satan keep on Attracting Demons to his side?

by Lost in the fog in

if you still believe in god and the devil.. .

where did the demons come from?.

the wt says that they are the angels who came to earth and had relations with women on earth, who on return to heaven were thrown into tartarus.

Lost in the fog

If you still believe in God and the Devil.

Where did the demons come from?

The WT says that they are the angels who came to earth and had relations with women on earth, who on return to heaven were thrown into Tartarus.

And Tartarus according to the WT is not a place but a condition in darkness away from the light of God which sounds like the heavenly equivalent of a Naughty Step rather than a maximum security prison…

Yet elsewhere in the Bible the wicked spirit creatures are active in heavenly places. (Eph 6:12)

The Bible also describes demons being active on the earth at the same time as in the account of Jesus and the Gadarene swine (Luke 8:31-34).

And in the Revelation account there's that big war in heaven between the forces of good and evil and the demons get booted out to fall spiralling down to the earth trailing fire like a shot down spitfire in WW2. (Don't you remember that really silly picture in the red study book!?)

If after the flood the angels were put into lockdown (didn't Jesus preach to the spirits in prison?), where were all these other demons coming from in the centuries afterwards? Maybe Satan was continuously attracting more angels with doubts about God to his side?

The WT explanation has never made sense. If you still believe in God or the Devil what is your take on the matter?

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questions for those who were once elders

by enoughisenough in

i watched some wendi renay youtube videos.

the former elder who was being interviewed mentioned a couple of things i noted.

i would like to know what your reactions were at the time you learned what i am going to relate if you had the same or kindred experience.

Lost in the fog

I've never heard that elders are angels statement.

But then again you have to remember that a lot of what the CO said was the opinion of that particular CO. I discovered that something a CO said about the 1st Century Christian church from the platform was not true after doing my own fact-checking. After that I fact checked most statements for myself - probably something that started the blinkers falling off my eyes!!

I do agree with the 2nd point as it was often said at meetings. The Hebrew Scriptures were written for the Jews, and the Christian Scriptures were written by and for people who had a heavenly hope. But are of interest to the "other sheeples" while not applying to them directly.

It's why the WT applies a lot of the Mosaic Law to the congregation, they're not under the Law, but it is stuck on them to obey in parts.

It's also why a brother or sister queries something they read in the Bible's NT and are told "but that doesn't apply to you, it's for the anointed ones only."

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The position of Christ in the Godhead

by JW Answers in

what is your views on christ?.

do you hold to the view that christ and the father are the same person?

do you hold to the view that jesus is a lesser god than the father?.

Lost in the fog

I think it boils down to this. If you believe in the Trinity you'll interpret verses to back up your beliefs.

If you don't believe in the Trinity you will point out verses to back up your belief.

I've heard arguments both for and against.

A lot of it is like circumstantial evidence rather than factual proof.

From a historical perspective, respected scholars report that first century Christians didn't believe that Jesus was God Almighty. They acknowledge it took several centuries for the idea to develop and percolate down through the catholic church.

ONLINE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA: "Neither the word “Trinity” nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4)."

I wish I could access my personal library of history and theology books which unfortunately are packed away in boxes for us moving house although I was able to dig out my notes on Origen's First Principles here, QUOTE "The God and Father, who holds the universe together, is superior to every being that exists, for he imparts to each one from his own existence that which each one is; the Son, being less than the Father, is superior to rational creatures alone (for he is second to the Father); the Holy Spirit is still less, and dwells within the saints alone. So that in this way the power of the Father is greater than that of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and that of the Son is more than that of the Holy Spirit. (Origen, FP, 33,34)

Now he was a lot closer to source (people who had known Christ and the apostles or whose parents had) than any of us!

Origen's expression reminds me of the principle for family headship as set forth in Scripture. Each one being below the next tier upwards.

(Do people who believe that the F, S, + HS are equal, dismiss 1 Corinthians 11v3? I'd love to hear how they interpret it. But that will have to be a question for another day!)

Going back to the Encyclopaedia Britannica's online article - "It was not until LATER in the 4TH CENTURY that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons."

Hardly blindingly obvious from Scripture if it took 400 years for such learned men to formulate a doctrine that continued to be argued over - and as the posts here on Jehovah's Witnesses Discussion show - continue to be argued over to this very day.